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Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:33 am
by TheFilthOfFrank
What would be a good Jazz trombone used for around 500 bucks? Looks don't really matter just the slide action and sound.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:37 am
by BurckhardtS
YSL 354 - I use one at the professional level, they are incredibly consistent and they can usually be found for $150-200 and the cost of getting it cleaned/slide aligned at a tech

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:39 am
by hyperbolica
Wessex Urbie Green 4501. Really nice horn, cheap. You might get an Olds Super super cheap. And Olds Recordings have a ton of personality, very underrated.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:52 am
by TheFilthOfFrank
Wessex stuff isn't really in the states I don't think

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:53 am
by TheFilthOfFrank
I'll try to find one cheap, but there are just so many options.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:08 am
by noordinaryjoe
For my money the vintage Yamahas are big bang for the buck..YSL-651, YSL-653...

This one is a bit more than your budget, (there is a make an offer option) but it looks really clean and probably won't need a slide tune up:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203595543769?h ... OSwqK1hNOk~

Less pretty ones can be found within your budget with a bit of searching.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:26 am
by TheFilthOfFrank
That sure is a looker!

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:30 am
by Kbiggs
TheFilthOfFrank wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:52 am Wessex stuff isn't really in the states I don't think
Wessex show room in Chicago: https://us.wessex-tubas.com/pages/chicago-showroom

And they ship almost anywhere.

And the PB4501 is in stock: https://us.wessex-tubas.com/collections ... ier-pb4501

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:38 am
by TheFilthOfFrank
I stand corrected! Thanks

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:04 pm
by BGuttman
You should be able to find a big pile of suitable instruments at your price point.

Look for a Martin Imperial or Martin Committee. Committee was a pro horn of the late 1940s.

Holton Stratodyne (67) or 69

Olds Radio, Recording, Super, Standard. You might even be able to get away with an Ambassador.

Reynolds Argenta

Conn 4H, 24H (and lots of others)

Besson 10-10 (although I found a 2-20 works pretty good as well).

And you might be able to find a King 2B at your price point.

I assume by "jazz horn" you just mean something smaller bore than the typical 0.547" bore that seems to be the school standard these days.

Fact is, any horn you play jazz on is a "jazz horn". For a while I used a King 4B to play dixieland jazz. Later I found a Martin Imperial and switched to that.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:44 pm
by TheFilthOfFrank
I was meaning a smaller bore straight horn such as the ones you described. I was looking for that different sound profile since I already have a symphonic tenor.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:46 pm
by TheFilthOfFrank
I assume the Ambassador is the "Higher" class in olds lineup from back in the day?

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:55 pm
by BGuttman
TheFilthOfFrank wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:46 pm I assume the Ambassador is the "Higher" class in olds lineup from back in the day?
Ambassador was sold as the Student model, although it was made on the same equipment and using the same tools as the higher level instruments. If it hasn't been too bashed, an Ambassador can be good; though the other lines are better.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:11 pm
by TheFilthOfFrank
Oh, so I had It backward.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 4:21 pm
by Jpechroer
I’ve got a 6h that’s a great playing horn, not the prettiest girl at the dance but she’ll swing

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:01 pm
by John
TheFilthOfFrank wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:33 am What would be a good Jazz trombone used for around 500 bucks? Looks don't really matter just the slide action and sound.
any conn director except 50h

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:09 pm
by OneTon
To get a good slide you might need to consider paying $665 to $675. Dillon’s has some 0.485 bore Conn 4H trombones. Brass exchange has an Olds Studio that runs 0.500 and a Reynolds at 0.500 bore. His Bach Mercury might work for you at $500. My outdoor horn is a Olds Super that I paid DJ Kennedy under $400 for a long time ago. It does surprisingly well. Those are all professional horns except for the Mercury which causes some arguments.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:49 pm
by OneTon
The Bach Loyalist site gives a Bach catalog description of what Mercury is. The one at Brass Exchange might be what you’re looking for.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:58 pm
by modelerdc
One more vote for the Yamaha 354, easy to find under 500, just get one with a good slide, they play well. Also consider Conn 77H and the student line king.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:16 pm
by PaulT
The Yamaha 200 is a sister horn to the 354. Same quality of material and execution. Whatever Yamaha builds, they build right.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:14 pm
by Mikebmiller
If you are patient, check on shopgoodwill.com. You can get a student horn like one of the Yamahas for under $100 and if you wait long enough, a pro horn might pop when somebody doesn't know what they have. I got a 6H for $100 on there once, but then spent $500 fixing it up.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:33 pm
by brassmedic
TheFilthOfFrank wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:46 pm I assume the Ambassador is the "Higher" class in olds lineup from back in the day?
As Bruce said, it's the student model. The Special was the intermediate model, and they are very good horns. You could easily get one for under $500. The Super, the Studio and the Recording were pro models so probably would cost a bit more.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:03 pm
by Posaunus
brassmedic wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:33 pm As Bruce said, [the Ambassador was] the student model. The Special was the intermediate model, and they are very good horns. You could easily get one for under $500. The Super, the Studio and the Recording were pro models so probably would cost a bit more.
:good:

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:17 am
by ParLawGod
The JP Rath 230 deserves more attention IMO. It can sing! 7.5" bell with .500 bore.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:38 am
by CharlieB
There is a trombonist/dealer named D.J. Kennedy, who is a member here but hasn't posted on this forum in quite awhile. He has a great (if somewhat eccentric) reputation for finding good affordable used trombones.
Many of the horns are at his home in Chester, Illinois, and others are located elsewhere. Maybe he knows of one near you. if you want to talk with D.J., here's a link to an old Chat post that gives contact info for him.

https://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?t=6743

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:38 pm
by tjonz
CharlieB writes:

> There is a used trombonist/dealer named D.J. Kennedy

DJ may be slightly used but he's still in good working order.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:07 pm
by CharlieB
tjonz wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:38 pm CharlieB writes:

> There is a used trombonist/dealer named D.J. Kennedy

DJ may be slightly used but he's still in good working order.
Oops.
Fixed it.
Thanks.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:50 am
by adrielo19
I recommend a vintage Yamaha YSL-354. Solid horn.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:35 am
by Geordie
Posaunus wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:03 pm
brassmedic wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:33 pm As Bruce said, [the Ambassador was] the student model. The Special was the intermediate model, and they are very good horns. You could easily get one for under $500. The Super, the Studio and the Recording were pro models so probably would cost a bit more.
:good:
I own both a Special and a Recording, using them in jazz, blues, samba type settings. Both will do the job well and are lower priced, Special is a little lighter. Both are nose heavy. Authentic counterweights are not common but anything that fits and weighs 8 ounces will do the job, I had both mine retrofitted.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:58 am
by Trav1s
I'll also suggest the 24H - I have a 30's era horn that is so much fun to play. It can sound sweet and mellow or will bark loud and clear if needed. It has quickly become one of my favorites along side my 79H.

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:43 am
by patrickb
brassmedic wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:33 pm
TheFilthOfFrank wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:46 pm I assume the Ambassador is the "Higher" class in olds lineup from back in the day?
As Bruce said, it's the student model. The Special was the intermediate model, and they are very good horns. You could easily get one for under $500. The Super, the Studio and the Recording were pro models so probably would cost a bit more.
I've been looking for something similar to get back into playing after having played in high school long ago - a bit nicer than a p-bone or the old conn student horn my son started on but not expensive. Read this and then ran across 1975 Olds Special at a local thrift store yesterday for $50 whose slide is prety good but needs some dents pulled out of the bell.

Thanks for the info!

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:54 pm
by Aznguyy
King Cleveland 605. Poor man's King 2B. You can get them around $200

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:49 pm
by brassmedic
patrickb wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:43 am
brassmedic wrote: Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:33 pm
As Bruce said, it's the student model. The Special was the intermediate model, and they are very good horns. You could easily get one for under $500. The Super, the Studio and the Recording were pro models so probably would cost a bit more.
I've been looking for something similar to get back into playing after having played in high school long ago - a bit nicer than a p-bone or the old conn student horn my son started on but not expensive. Read this and then ran across 1975 Olds Special at a local thrift store yesterday for $50 whose slide is prety good but needs some dents pulled out of the bell.

Thanks for the info!
That's a great price. Does it have the 2-tone bell?

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:56 pm
by patrickb
brassmedic wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:49 pm
patrickb wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:43 am

I've been looking for something similar to get back into playing after having played in high school long ago - a bit nicer than a p-bone or the old conn student horn my son started on but not expensive. Read this and then ran across 1975 Olds Special at a local thrift store yesterday for $50 whose slide is prety good but needs some dents pulled out of the bell.

Thanks for the info!
That's a great price. Does it have the 2-tone bell?
No, it's straight nickel silver. I expect it'll take a bit of $$ to true up and get the larger dents of bell, and it'll need a new case, but even if it costs $250-300 total to get everything together, it's still a good place to restart for a pretty minimal investment. I'll post some pictures when it gets back from the shop. )

Re: Budget jazz horn

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:27 pm
by Posaunus
brassmedic wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:49 pm
patrickb wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:43 am ... 1975 Olds Special at a local thrift store yesterday for $50 whose slide is prety good but needs some dents pulled out of the bell.
That's a great price. Does it have the 2-tone bell?
I think it the Olds Studio that had the two-tone bell.
(yellow/gold brass neck, nickel-silver flare)